Comments on: Fem2.0 Twittercast: Mommies and Feminists – The Great Divide http://www.fem2pt0.com/2009/05/15/fem20-twittercast-mommies-and-feminists-the-great-divide/ society’s issues + women’s voices Sun, 05 Feb 2012 21:19:24 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Fem2.0-MOMocrats Live Chat: Feminism is Where You Are/What You Do « MOMocrats Legacy Posts: 2007-2011 http://www.fem2pt0.com/2009/05/15/fem20-twittercast-mommies-and-feminists-the-great-divide/comment-page-1/#comment-28310 Fem2.0-MOMocrats Live Chat: Feminism is Where You Are/What You Do « MOMocrats Legacy Posts: 2007-2011 Wed, 25 Jan 2012 00:17:16 +0000 http://www.fem2pt0.com/?p=993#comment-28310 [...] It may shed new light on the previous Fem2pt0 conversation, which was framed here: “Mommies and Feminists: the Great Divide.” [...] [...] It may shed new light on the previous Fem2pt0 conversation, which was framed here: “Mommies and Feminists: the Great Divide.” [...]

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]]> By: Feminism, fathers and valuing parenthood | PhD in Parenting http://www.fem2pt0.com/2009/05/15/fem20-twittercast-mommies-and-feminists-the-great-divide/comment-page-1/#comment-6146 Feminism, fathers and valuing parenthood | PhD in Parenting Tue, 19 May 2009 02:54:53 +0000 http://www.fem2pt0.com/?p=993#comment-6146 [...] May 17,  I participated in the Fem 2.0 chat on twitter. The topic of discussion was mommies and feminism. We talked about a lot of things, but one thing I [...] [...] May 17,  I participated in the Fem 2.0 chat on twitter. The topic of discussion was mommies and feminism. We talked about a lot of things, but one thing I [...]

]]> By: digg » Blog Archive » Friday Femme Fatale: Motherhood, Feminism & Fashion http://www.fem2pt0.com/2009/05/15/fem20-twittercast-mommies-and-feminists-the-great-divide/comment-page-1/#comment-6143 digg » Blog Archive » Friday Femme Fatale: Motherhood, Feminism & Fashion Sat, 16 May 2009 23:51:40 +0000 http://www.fem2pt0.com/?p=993#comment-6143 [...] Fem2.0 Twittercast: Mommies and Feminists - The Great Divide Sunday, May 18, 2009, 10 PM EST To join the Twittercast, see here [...] [...] Fem2.0 Twittercast: Mommies and Feminists – The Great Divide Sunday, May 18, 2009, 10 PM EST To join the Twittercast, see here [...]

]]> By: Julie Pippert http://www.fem2pt0.com/2009/05/15/fem20-twittercast-mommies-and-feminists-the-great-divide/comment-page-1/#comment-6142 Julie Pippert Fri, 15 May 2009 19:10:01 +0000 http://www.fem2pt0.com/?p=993#comment-6142 I just want to add: active feminist mom bloggers, such as the MOMocrats, are great ambassadors into the parenting community. The best premise for a chat is how to expand upon and advance our mutual goals, rather than creating a construct of a divide and focusing on what's allegedly not being done---when it is being done widely and largely---and expect that to be appealing to feminist moms. We can't start at "there is this divide" and expect that to be motivational and inclusive to parents. We shouldn't start by talking about what all moms aren't doing and why they aren't doing it. Clearly (oh so-too-painfully-clearly) there is a disconnect, as NONA states, between some feminists (nonmoms and moms) and feminist moms knowing what each are doing for the feminism cause. Why not instead start with "we want to connect more, let's build a bridge...okay now how can we expand and advance our goals?" I just want to add: active feminist mom bloggers, such as the MOMocrats, are great ambassadors into the parenting community. The best premise for a chat is how to expand upon and advance our mutual goals, rather than creating a construct of a divide and focusing on what’s allegedly not being done—when it is being done widely and largely—and expect that to be appealing to feminist moms. We can’t start at “there is this divide” and expect that to be motivational and inclusive to parents. We shouldn’t start by talking about what all moms aren’t doing and why they aren’t doing it. Clearly (oh so-too-painfully-clearly) there is a disconnect, as NONA states, between some feminists (nonmoms and moms) and feminist moms knowing what each are doing for the feminism cause. Why not instead start with “we want to connect more, let’s build a bridge…okay now how can we expand and advance our goals?”

]]> By: Julie Pippert http://www.fem2pt0.com/2009/05/15/fem20-twittercast-mommies-and-feminists-the-great-divide/comment-page-1/#comment-6141 Julie Pippert Fri, 15 May 2009 16:31:54 +0000 http://www.fem2pt0.com/?p=993#comment-6141 In my response to Nona both at The Nation and Feministing, and on our MOMocrats site in my article, "Double X Double Slam: Women, Mothers Marginalized More Than Ever?" ( http://momocrats.typepad.com/momocrats/2009/05/double-x-double-slam-women-marginalized-more-than-ever.html) I've been arguing that there is NOT a disconnect between moms who blog and feminism. I still believe that, but I keep seeing proved over and over, first in Nona's article and in each place referencing it, a total and massive overlook of that. So I guess Nona is more than half right: there is a disconnect between feminist groups and moms. In reply to my article, a reader asked, "So: what's the consequence of her argument? In what way does the movement suffer if she doesn't see it?" Here's the consequence, right here. A feminist group asserting mommies aren't part of feminism---that there is a great divide. Very disappointing. Very. I think I am seeing a divide being constructed. Also disappointed to see things labeled as "mom issues." What are these anyway? Health care? Education? Family leave? fair pay? Those are ALL OF US issues. Moms just happen to be some of the most vocal advocates for them. In my response to Nona both at The Nation and Feministing, and on our MOMocrats site in my article, “Double X Double Slam: Women, Mothers Marginalized More Than Ever?” ( http://momocrats.typepad.com/momocrats/2009/05/double-x-double-slam-women-marginalized-more-than-ever.html) I’ve been arguing that there is NOT a disconnect between moms who blog and feminism. I still believe that, but I keep seeing proved over and over, first in Nona’s article and in each place referencing it, a total and massive overlook of that. So I guess Nona is more than half right: there is a disconnect between feminist groups and moms.

In reply to my article, a reader asked, “So: what’s the consequence of her argument? In what way does the movement suffer if she doesn’t see it?”

Here’s the consequence, right here.

A feminist group asserting mommies aren’t part of feminism—that there is a great divide.

Very disappointing. Very.

I think I am seeing a divide being constructed.

Also disappointed to see things labeled as “mom issues.” What are these anyway? Health care? Education? Family leave? fair pay? Those are ALL OF US issues. Moms just happen to be some of the most vocal advocates for them.

]]> By: Suzanne http://www.fem2pt0.com/2009/05/15/fem20-twittercast-mommies-and-feminists-the-great-divide/comment-page-1/#comment-6140 Suzanne Fri, 15 May 2009 16:21:30 +0000 http://www.fem2pt0.com/?p=993#comment-6140 I am a mom and a feminist. However, I wonder if one thing that prevents moms -- especially young moms -- from becoming feminists is simple exhaustion. Also, some people are less apt to "label" themselves politically. Politics is something "other people" do. That's one of the reasons I have so much respect for Moms Rising -- they seem to take issues of real immediate concern to moms and help their members make political hay out of them. Who, for example, wouldn't support paid sick days for moms -- especially in the midst of a swine flu scare. Who doesn't enjoy a video of themselves as the best mother in the world, with the *subversive* ;o) message of pay equity running along the bottom of the video? Anyway - to bring people in that don't self-identify politically, you have to speak to their self interest and make it easy for them. Especially if they're already juggling motherhood, jobs & etc etc etc. I am a mom and a feminist. However, I wonder if one thing that prevents moms — especially young moms — from becoming feminists is simple exhaustion. Also, some people are less apt to “label” themselves politically. Politics is something “other people” do. That’s one of the reasons I have so much respect for Moms Rising — they seem to take issues of real immediate concern to moms and help their members make political hay out of them. Who, for example, wouldn’t support paid sick days for moms — especially in the midst of a swine flu scare. Who doesn’t enjoy a video of themselves as the best mother in the world, with the *subversive* ;o) message of pay equity running along the bottom of the video? Anyway – to bring people in that don’t self-identify politically, you have to speak to their self interest and make it easy for them. Especially if they’re already juggling motherhood, jobs & etc etc etc.

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