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		<title>By: MadamaAmbi</title>
		<link>http://www.fem2pt0.com/2009/10/07/maureen-dowd-a-wasted-opportunity-for-women/comment-page-1/#comment-6296</link>
		<dc:creator>MadamaAmbi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 19:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While we&#039;re on the subject of who gets column space at the NY Times, I have to say that column writers, even at the old gray lady, are starting to sound irrelevant to me, a person who lived in NYC and who pays through the nose to get home delivery of this shrinking newspaper.

Though I frequently find the cacophony of the blogosphere/femisphere just too much stimuli, too loud, too much blather, too much yapping without having anything thoughtful to say, I also think one can get a better sense of the range of public opinion by surfing the femisphere/blogosphere than by reading Dowd or Collins or Brooks or Herbert or Rich or Friedman or Blow or any other regular commentator in the New York Times.

The tide has already turned.  I don&#039;t consider myself an expert in these issues, but the explosion of voices online via blogs, vlogs, podcasts, Facebook, Twitter or other online watering hole has drowned out the sole pundits like Dowd.  This is a good thing.  The same old heads talking to each other is a waste of my time.  I&#039;m hungry for the voices that never get heard.  

Just to give you an idea of how topsy-turvy the world is now, and how not all of us get the new bottom-up energy bubbling everywhere you look, I give you Exhibit #1, an email inviting me to attend an expensive workshop training women to write better op-ed pieces.  The analysis included is that unless women get their voices into the major newspapers, we have only ourselves to blame for our invisibility.  I could critique this from many perspectives, but all I&#039;m saying right now is that my jaw dropped and I blurted out &quot;Huh?&quot;

A blogger I&#039;ve come to appreciate is Blackamazon, who translates herself onto the page with an intensity I GET BIGTIME.  Sometimes her spelling, her grammar and her syntax confuse me--I don&#039;t know if she intentionally mangled my expectations or if she&#039;s just typing so fast it came out that way and, like an artist painting furiously, she leaves in her mistakes.  Mistakes are raw energy.  I love mistakes in my work and in other people&#039;s work.  Blackamazon would have to murder her true self in order to get published in the NY Times, and that would be a tragedy.  She has important things to say, especially important things she&#039;s saying to white women feminists.  I&#039;m listening to her and to other women of color who get that I&#039;m really listening.  Dowd?  Collins?  Feh.  Those voices are SO over...and they should be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While we&#8217;re on the subject of who gets column space at the NY Times, I have to say that column writers, even at the old gray lady, are starting to sound irrelevant to me, a person who lived in NYC and who pays through the nose to get home delivery of this shrinking newspaper.</p>
<p>Though I frequently find the cacophony of the blogosphere/femisphere just too much stimuli, too loud, too much blather, too much yapping without having anything thoughtful to say, I also think one can get a better sense of the range of public opinion by surfing the femisphere/blogosphere than by reading Dowd or Collins or Brooks or Herbert or Rich or Friedman or Blow or any other regular commentator in the New York Times.</p>
<p>The tide has already turned.  I don&#8217;t consider myself an expert in these issues, but the explosion of voices online via blogs, vlogs, podcasts, Facebook, Twitter or other online watering hole has drowned out the sole pundits like Dowd.  This is a good thing.  The same old heads talking to each other is a waste of my time.  I&#8217;m hungry for the voices that never get heard.  </p>
<p>Just to give you an idea of how topsy-turvy the world is now, and how not all of us get the new bottom-up energy bubbling everywhere you look, I give you Exhibit #1, an email inviting me to attend an expensive workshop training women to write better op-ed pieces.  The analysis included is that unless women get their voices into the major newspapers, we have only ourselves to blame for our invisibility.  I could critique this from many perspectives, but all I&#8217;m saying right now is that my jaw dropped and I blurted out &#8220;Huh?&#8221;</p>
<p>A blogger I&#8217;ve come to appreciate is Blackamazon, who translates herself onto the page with an intensity I GET BIGTIME.  Sometimes her spelling, her grammar and her syntax confuse me&#8211;I don&#8217;t know if she intentionally mangled my expectations or if she&#8217;s just typing so fast it came out that way and, like an artist painting furiously, she leaves in her mistakes.  Mistakes are raw energy.  I love mistakes in my work and in other people&#8217;s work.  Blackamazon would have to murder her true self in order to get published in the NY Times, and that would be a tragedy.  She has important things to say, especially important things she&#8217;s saying to white women feminists.  I&#8217;m listening to her and to other women of color who get that I&#8217;m really listening.  Dowd?  Collins?  Feh.  Those voices are SO over&#8230;and they should be.</p>
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		<title>By: Gloria Pan</title>
		<link>http://www.fem2pt0.com/2009/10/07/maureen-dowd-a-wasted-opportunity-for-women/comment-page-1/#comment-6293</link>
		<dc:creator>Gloria Pan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ramanda, putting aside whether or not MoDo has any responsibility for the women&#039;s perspective, the New York Times certainly has a responsibility to aspire to diversity on its editorial page. If we don&#039;t believe that, then we don&#039;t believe the Supreme Court, corporate boards and any other influential platform should have more women, and we&#039;d find ourselves where we were 100 years ago. So if there should be diversity among NYTimes columnists, then the fact that they&#039;ve given that incredible privilege to someone like Maureen - a decision I find hard to believe was completely based on merit - completely undermines the spirit of diversity, because on weighty issues, her perspective is no different from a man&#039;s, and she has no interest in introducing issues of weight to women.

Catie, I completely agree that gender-neutral writing has it&#039;s place and that women shouldn&#039;t just write about women&#039;s issues, but I do feel it&#039;s important to have a few people at the most important editorial platform in the country to be counted on to represent women at least once in a while if not 50% of the time (in an ideal world). In Dowd, we have a woman who NEVER writes about women&#039;s issues. And let&#039;s pause a second and think about what women&#039;s issues are. They would include healthcare, employment practices, the economy, etc. Rather yet another piece on how Wall Street fat cats should not be getting any fatter because they don&#039;t deserve it, how about contrasting the ridiculous size of their bonuses with how much an average American family has to make do with? That, in my opinion, is a woman&#039;s perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ramanda, putting aside whether or not MoDo has any responsibility for the women&#8217;s perspective, the New York Times certainly has a responsibility to aspire to diversity on its editorial page. If we don&#8217;t believe that, then we don&#8217;t believe the Supreme Court, corporate boards and any other influential platform should have more women, and we&#8217;d find ourselves where we were 100 years ago. So if there should be diversity among NYTimes columnists, then the fact that they&#8217;ve given that incredible privilege to someone like Maureen &#8211; a decision I find hard to believe was completely based on merit &#8211; completely undermines the spirit of diversity, because on weighty issues, her perspective is no different from a man&#8217;s, and she has no interest in introducing issues of weight to women.</p>
<p>Catie, I completely agree that gender-neutral writing has it&#8217;s place and that women shouldn&#8217;t just write about women&#8217;s issues, but I do feel it&#8217;s important to have a few people at the most important editorial platform in the country to be counted on to represent women at least once in a while if not 50% of the time (in an ideal world). In Dowd, we have a woman who NEVER writes about women&#8217;s issues. And let&#8217;s pause a second and think about what women&#8217;s issues are. They would include healthcare, employment practices, the economy, etc. Rather yet another piece on how Wall Street fat cats should not be getting any fatter because they don&#8217;t deserve it, how about contrasting the ridiculous size of their bonuses with how much an average American family has to make do with? That, in my opinion, is a woman&#8217;s perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: Catie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Catie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As much as I don&#039;t like Maureen Dowd, and don&#039;t like that she uses her platform to write mostly about fluff (as you say, Gloria), I don&#039;t think there is anything wrong with gender-neutral writing in general.  Dowd does a bad job with this because she mixes the gender-neutral with the misogynistic and the fluffy - but I think gender-neutral writing has its place.  It is important for women with the nation&#039;s attention to give time to the issues - but I would also argue that it is important for men with the nation&#039;s attention to do the same.  Also, woman shouldn&#039;t just write solely about woman&#039;s issues.  First of all, I don&#039;t know any women  who are only concerned with &quot;woman&#039;s issues&quot; - who don&#039;t think about &quot;gender-neutral&quot; topics.  Second, the self-segregation of women only talking about woman&#039;s issues is doing something to hurt the cause as it does something to help.  Women should always address woman&#039;s issues, but if they do only that, they are emphasizing some false idea of an inherent &quot;difference&quot; between woman and men.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As much as I don&#8217;t like Maureen Dowd, and don&#8217;t like that she uses her platform to write mostly about fluff (as you say, Gloria), I don&#8217;t think there is anything wrong with gender-neutral writing in general.  Dowd does a bad job with this because she mixes the gender-neutral with the misogynistic and the fluffy &#8211; but I think gender-neutral writing has its place.  It is important for women with the nation&#8217;s attention to give time to the issues &#8211; but I would also argue that it is important for men with the nation&#8217;s attention to do the same.  Also, woman shouldn&#8217;t just write solely about woman&#8217;s issues.  First of all, I don&#8217;t know any women  who are only concerned with &#8220;woman&#8217;s issues&#8221; &#8211; who don&#8217;t think about &#8220;gender-neutral&#8221; topics.  Second, the self-segregation of women only talking about woman&#8217;s issues is doing something to hurt the cause as it does something to help.  Women should always address woman&#8217;s issues, but if they do only that, they are emphasizing some false idea of an inherent &#8220;difference&#8221; between woman and men.</p>
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		<title>By: MadamaAmbi</title>
		<link>http://www.fem2pt0.com/2009/10/07/maureen-dowd-a-wasted-opportunity-for-women/comment-page-1/#comment-6288</link>
		<dc:creator>MadamaAmbi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 00:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ramanda--I don&#039;t think Gloria is suggesting that &quot;MoDo&quot; represents all women, but that on the whole, Dowd really doesn&#039;t get it.  I rarely read Dowd; I find her privilege screamingly loud and I can&#039;t take it.  A point I&#039;ve been trying to get across in general, wherever I have the opportunity, is that it&#039;s a good thing for women to criticize other women and to use those opportunities to have contentious dialogue.  In my opinion, women need to have MORE contentious dialogue and to keep pushing one another to think together rather than to get defensive, get their feelings hurt and bow out of a good argument.  It&#039;s healthy and productive for women to argue their ideas.  Gloria is fostering a real exchange of ideas here, that much I know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ramanda&#8211;I don&#8217;t think Gloria is suggesting that &#8220;MoDo&#8221; represents all women, but that on the whole, Dowd really doesn&#8217;t get it.  I rarely read Dowd; I find her privilege screamingly loud and I can&#8217;t take it.  A point I&#8217;ve been trying to get across in general, wherever I have the opportunity, is that it&#8217;s a good thing for women to criticize other women and to use those opportunities to have contentious dialogue.  In my opinion, women need to have MORE contentious dialogue and to keep pushing one another to think together rather than to get defensive, get their feelings hurt and bow out of a good argument.  It&#8217;s healthy and productive for women to argue their ideas.  Gloria is fostering a real exchange of ideas here, that much I know.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill Elswick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill Elswick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 15:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Burnsey: Very curious about your statement: &quot;stop with the &#039;Obama is a feminist.&#039; We all know that is BS.&quot; What do you mean?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Burnsey: Very curious about your statement: &#8220;stop with the &#8216;Obama is a feminist.&#8217; We all know that is BS.&#8221; What do you mean?</p>
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		<title>By: MadamaAmbi</title>
		<link>http://www.fem2pt0.com/2009/10/07/maureen-dowd-a-wasted-opportunity-for-women/comment-page-1/#comment-6283</link>
		<dc:creator>MadamaAmbi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 14:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keejay--I sincerely hope you are a brilliant satirist, because if not, I&#039;ll have to slit my wrists.  Please tell me you are having fun here, gurlfriend...pulleeeeeze...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keejay&#8211;I sincerely hope you are a brilliant satirist, because if not, I&#8217;ll have to slit my wrists.  Please tell me you are having fun here, gurlfriend&#8230;pulleeeeeze&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ramanda Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ramanda Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 13:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, like Marcia, read Maureen on occasion finding her mildly amusing at best and mildly irritating at worst.  As much as may understand the frustration being expressed, I think it is fallacious to presume that MoDo, or for that matter any woman, has a responsibility to represent a CERTAIN perspective.  That is the equivalent of saying that all African Americans have a duty to represent the African American perspective (as if there were only one!).  Throwing around terms like &quot;anti-women&quot; is such a facile and futile tactic that ultimately alienates far more than it attracts.  Interesting how the sabotage continues -- women disparaging other womein who they consider to be &quot;anti-woman.&quot;  La plus que ca change, la plus que c&#039;est la meme chose.  Vive la femme.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, like Marcia, read Maureen on occasion finding her mildly amusing at best and mildly irritating at worst.  As much as may understand the frustration being expressed, I think it is fallacious to presume that MoDo, or for that matter any woman, has a responsibility to represent a CERTAIN perspective.  That is the equivalent of saying that all African Americans have a duty to represent the African American perspective (as if there were only one!).  Throwing around terms like &#8220;anti-women&#8221; is such a facile and futile tactic that ultimately alienates far more than it attracts.  Interesting how the sabotage continues &#8212; women disparaging other womein who they consider to be &#8220;anti-woman.&#8221;  La plus que ca change, la plus que c&#8217;est la meme chose.  Vive la femme.</p>
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		<title>By: Keejay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keejay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 08:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Girlfriend, you done got that bidge down to a tea and ready for her cream and sugar!  

You just know that Murine Dowd was thinking of gettin hers and aint nobody gonna be happy UNTIL SHE GET SOME!  You KNOW her man gonna be good in bed cause girlfriend give men so much props!  IF you ladies want to keep your man and keep him right with Jesus you got to think of him as a high wind and you just like a pair of drawers on the cloths lines!  He blow and you flow!  Men dont respect nothin more that a women who give him her just self respects.

A lots of the women here all up in Murine&#039;s face just cause she pretty, but she aint THAT pretty let me tell you!!!  She got to work for it to!  She aint got no back door man!  She know she got to pertect her man and they love, and she  just tryin to teach you girls to do the same and yall be hatin her for the TRUTH!  MEN want a women what loves them and keep they mouths SHUT!

Luv always,
Keejay</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Girlfriend, you done got that bidge down to a tea and ready for her cream and sugar!  </p>
<p>You just know that Murine Dowd was thinking of gettin hers and aint nobody gonna be happy UNTIL SHE GET SOME!  You KNOW her man gonna be good in bed cause girlfriend give men so much props!  IF you ladies want to keep your man and keep him right with Jesus you got to think of him as a high wind and you just like a pair of drawers on the cloths lines!  He blow and you flow!  Men dont respect nothin more that a women who give him her just self respects.</p>
<p>A lots of the women here all up in Murine&#8217;s face just cause she pretty, but she aint THAT pretty let me tell you!!!  She got to work for it to!  She aint got no back door man!  She know she got to pertect her man and they love, and she  just tryin to teach you girls to do the same and yall be hatin her for the TRUTH!  MEN want a women what loves them and keep they mouths SHUT!</p>
<p>Luv always,<br />
Keejay</p>
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		<title>By: Gloria Feldt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gloria Feldt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 07:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brilliant piece, Gloria. Maureen is a performer, not a pundit, and her performance is pitched to get attention, like the class clown in elementary school, not to illuminate anything or help anyone other than herself. I agree with Marcia, and 99 % of the time, I ignore her. 

Unfortunately, too many people don&#039;t ignore her. 

Beyond all the excellent points made in others&#039; comments, Maureen also hates any progressive politician who stands a chance of advancing women. She decimated Al Gore, pounding him mercilessly, while giving W. a total pass. Until he was elected, with the help of the New York times (and I hold Nick Kristof accountable for that too--remember his puff pieces of Bush--when Nick was a reporter not a columnist--that made him look like a warm and fuzzy good old boy from where the real American values reside?). Only then did she start lampooning Bush on occasion.  When my husband confronted her about that once after meeting her at an event, she basically replied that she was there to entertain and bore no responsibility for the consequences of her words.

And I don&#039;t think there is any columnist, male or female, who has used the term &quot;catfight&quot; more frequently to describe how women interact with one another. That alone would make a good study for your next post. I look forward to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brilliant piece, Gloria. Maureen is a performer, not a pundit, and her performance is pitched to get attention, like the class clown in elementary school, not to illuminate anything or help anyone other than herself. I agree with Marcia, and 99 % of the time, I ignore her. </p>
<p>Unfortunately, too many people don&#8217;t ignore her. </p>
<p>Beyond all the excellent points made in others&#8217; comments, Maureen also hates any progressive politician who stands a chance of advancing women. She decimated Al Gore, pounding him mercilessly, while giving W. a total pass. Until he was elected, with the help of the New York times (and I hold Nick Kristof accountable for that too&#8211;remember his puff pieces of Bush&#8211;when Nick was a reporter not a columnist&#8211;that made him look like a warm and fuzzy good old boy from where the real American values reside?). Only then did she start lampooning Bush on occasion.  When my husband confronted her about that once after meeting her at an event, she basically replied that she was there to entertain and bore no responsibility for the consequences of her words.</p>
<p>And I don&#8217;t think there is any columnist, male or female, who has used the term &#8220;catfight&#8221; more frequently to describe how women interact with one another. That alone would make a good study for your next post. I look forward to it.</p>
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		<title>By: Gloria Pan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gloria Pan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 03:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, all, for the comments. Yes, it seems that Dowd&#039;s impact on women is negative rather than just neutral. I had a lot more to say about it, actually, but just didn&#039;t have the time to write such a long post. Perhaps in a future post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, all, for the comments. Yes, it seems that Dowd&#8217;s impact on women is negative rather than just neutral. I had a lot more to say about it, actually, but just didn&#8217;t have the time to write such a long post. Perhaps in a future post.</p>
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