Comments on: Birthers and Birchers: Hiding Behind Stars and Stripes http://www.fem2pt0.com/2009/11/09/birthers-and-birchers-hiding-behind-stars-and-stripes/ society’s issues + women’s voices Wed, 28 Jul 2010 01:10:51 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Lurline Depalma http://www.fem2pt0.com/2009/11/09/birthers-and-birchers-hiding-behind-stars-and-stripes/comment-page-1/#comment-8661 Lurline Depalma Mon, 26 Jul 2010 20:02:15 +0000 http://www.fem2pt0.com/2009/11/09/birthers-and-birchers-hiding-behind-stars-and-stripes/#comment-8661 Where did it go? Why does nobody ask queries any more? Are we that sluggish? There does not need to be a conspiracy theorist in the midst of any of this – just a citizen who acknowledges what a citizen is; that you vote and can dispute to anything you are told. Do not accept that serious voice that assures you ‘Sir, you must do it the way the corporation/government tells you.’ No you don’t! In fact if the voice is so very serious and the suit merely that bit firmer than yours, you can bet your last dollar they are pulling the wool over your eyes. Corporations answer to stockholders – us, regimes to voters – us, and so on. And you are 1 of millions of us. If you need a conspiracy theory look in the mirror. You, America, have conspired to sequester yourselves from the reality of going out and living a life; see and be interested, don’t be fed knowledge; study to build in the same way your forebears built up this nation, don’t sit in a cube and push buttons; ask questions, don’t be fed anything you don’t understand; unite in concert in your residential area to become politically alive. Where did it go? Why does nobody ask queries any more? Are we that sluggish? There does not need to be a conspiracy theorist in the midst of any of this – just a citizen who acknowledges what a citizen is; that you vote and can dispute to anything you are told. Do not accept that serious voice that assures you ‘Sir, you must do it the way the corporation/government tells you.’ No you don’t! In fact if the voice is so very serious and the suit merely that bit firmer than yours, you can bet your last dollar they are pulling the wool over your eyes. Corporations answer to stockholders – us, regimes to voters – us, and so on. And you are 1 of millions of us. If you need a conspiracy theory look in the mirror. You, America, have conspired to sequester yourselves from the reality of going out and living a life; see and be interested, don’t be fed knowledge; study to build in the same way your forebears built up this nation, don’t sit in a cube and push buttons; ask questions, don’t be fed anything you don’t understand; unite in concert in your residential area to become politically alive.

]]> By: ernie1241 http://www.fem2pt0.com/2009/11/09/birthers-and-birchers-hiding-behind-stars-and-stripes/comment-page-1/#comment-6367 ernie1241 Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:24:28 +0000 http://www.fem2pt0.com/2009/11/09/birthers-and-birchers-hiding-behind-stars-and-stripes/#comment-6367 Loretta Ross's article "Birthers and Birchers: Hiding Behind Stars and Stripes" is a malicious caricature of the John Birch Society and it contains malicious innuendo that the JBS is an organization with "nativist, racist tendencies." It is obvious that Ms. Ross has no genuine factual knowledge about JBS beliefs or its membership characteristics and her hyperbole discredits her argument. For example: (1) How does Ms. Ross explain the fact that hundreds of JBS members are African-American (or other minorities)? (2) How does Ms. Ross explain the fact that the JBS Speakers Bureau has included such members of African-American or latino descent as Rev. Steven L. Craft, Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson, Andy Ramirez, Wilton Alston, Sam Antonio, Julia Brown, Lola Belle Holmes and Gerald Kirk? (3) How does Ms. Ross explain the fact that JBS member Rev. Delmar Dennis infiltrated the White Knights of the KKK of Mississippi and Rev. Dennis played a major role in the convictions of several Klan members. After Rev. Dennis surfaced as an FBI informant and testified, he was hired by the JBS as a Coordinator for the Society. Is that the behavior of a "racist" organization? (4) And how does Ms. Ross explain the fact that the famous African-American writer and intellectual, George S. Schuyler, was a JBS member and speaker? (5) How does Ms. Ross explain the fact that the former Senior Editor of the Birch Society magazine, William Norman Grigg, is of Mexican ancestry? Why would he be interested in working for a "nativist" or "racist" organization? (6) Traditionally, nativist organizations in the U.S. have been anti-Catholic, so how does Ms. Ross explain the fact that in its formative years (and afterward) about 40% of JBS leadership was Catholic and its National Council included Catholic priests such as Rev. Francis Fenton? (6) How does Ms. Ross explain the fact that over the past 50 years the JBS has been endorsed by prominent Americans such as are shown on the list appearing below? Does Ms. Ross think these individuals would be receptive to "racist" or "nativist" appeals? * lawyers and legal scholars such as M.T. Phelps (former Chief Justice of the AZ Supreme Court; Clarence E. Manion, former Dean of the Notre Dame Law School--which, incidentally is a Catholic school) * Hollywood actors like Walter Brennan, John Wayne, Zasu Pitts, and Adolphe Menjou * famous novelists, authors, columnists, such as Taylor Caldwell and George Schuyler * prominent politicians such as Charles Edison (former Gov. of New Jersey), Meldrim Thompson (former Gov. of NH), J. B. Lee (former Gov. of UT), and, Congressmen John Rousselot, Edgar W. Hiestand, Thomas H. Werdel, and James B. Utt (CA), Ron Paul (TX), Howard Buffet (NE), James Simpson Jr. (IL), Kit Clardy (MI) * CEO's of major corporations many of whom were prominent officials of the National Association of Manufacturers * former FBI Special Agents such as Dan Smoot and W. Cleon Skousen * former FBI informants such as Matt Cvetic, Delmar Dennis, Julia Brown, Lola Belle Holmes, Gerald W. Kirk, and Ruth Gordienko * former high-ranking military officers such as Brig. Gen. Bonner Fellers, Brig. Gen. Richard B. Moran; Lt. Gen. Edward M. Almond, Brig. Gen. William L. Lee, Lt. Gen. George E. Stratemeyer, Maj. Gen. Robert Blake, Lt. Gen. Sumter L. Lowry, Maj. Gen. Charles A. Willoughby, and Lt. Gen. Charles B. Stone; Col Laurence E. Bunker; Vice Admiral C.S. Freeman, Rear Admiral Paulus P. Powell, and Vice Admiral T.G.W. Settle * prominent U.S. diplomats and government officials including: U.S. Ambassador Spruille Braden, U.S. State Department historian Bryton Barron, and IRS Commissioner T. Coleman Andrews * religious figures and editors of religious journals including Cardinal Cushing of Boston, Richard Ginter, Francis E. Fenton, and Mormon Church leader Ezra Taft Benson So -- in view of all this data, I am curious how Ms. Ross arrived at her conclusion that the JBS has "racist" or "nativist" tendencies? Loretta Ross’s article “Birthers and Birchers: Hiding Behind Stars and Stripes” is a malicious caricature of the John Birch Society and it contains malicious innuendo that the JBS is an organization with “nativist, racist tendencies.”

It is obvious that Ms. Ross has no genuine factual knowledge about JBS beliefs or its membership characteristics and her hyperbole discredits her argument.

For example:

(1) How does Ms. Ross explain the fact that hundreds of JBS members are African-American (or other minorities)?

(2) How does Ms. Ross explain the fact that the JBS Speakers Bureau has included such members of African-American or latino descent as Rev. Steven L. Craft, Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson, Andy Ramirez, Wilton Alston, Sam Antonio, Julia Brown, Lola Belle Holmes and Gerald Kirk?

(3) How does Ms. Ross explain the fact that JBS member Rev. Delmar Dennis infiltrated the White Knights of the KKK of Mississippi and Rev. Dennis played a major role in the convictions of several Klan members. After Rev. Dennis surfaced as an FBI informant and testified, he was hired by the JBS as a Coordinator for the Society. Is that the behavior of a “racist” organization?

(4) And how does Ms. Ross explain the fact that the famous African-American writer and intellectual, George S. Schuyler, was a JBS member and speaker?

(5) How does Ms. Ross explain the fact that the former Senior Editor of the Birch Society magazine, William Norman Grigg, is of Mexican ancestry? Why would he be interested in working for a “nativist” or “racist” organization?

(6) Traditionally, nativist organizations in the U.S. have been anti-Catholic, so how does Ms. Ross explain the fact that in its formative years (and afterward) about 40% of JBS leadership was Catholic and its National Council included Catholic priests such as Rev. Francis Fenton?

(6) How does Ms. Ross explain the fact that over the past 50 years the JBS has been endorsed by prominent Americans such as are shown on the list appearing below? Does Ms. Ross think these individuals would be receptive to “racist” or “nativist” appeals?

* lawyers and legal scholars such as M.T. Phelps (former Chief Justice of the AZ Supreme Court; Clarence E. Manion, former Dean of the Notre Dame Law School–which, incidentally is a Catholic school)

* Hollywood actors like Walter Brennan, John Wayne, Zasu Pitts, and Adolphe Menjou

* famous novelists, authors, columnists, such as Taylor Caldwell and George Schuyler

* prominent politicians such as Charles Edison (former Gov. of New Jersey), Meldrim Thompson (former Gov. of NH), J. B. Lee (former Gov. of UT), and, Congressmen John Rousselot, Edgar W. Hiestand, Thomas H. Werdel, and James B. Utt (CA), Ron Paul (TX), Howard Buffet (NE), James Simpson Jr. (IL), Kit Clardy (MI)

* CEO’s of major corporations many of whom were prominent officials of the National Association of Manufacturers

* former FBI Special Agents such as Dan Smoot and W. Cleon Skousen

* former FBI informants such as Matt Cvetic, Delmar Dennis, Julia Brown, Lola Belle Holmes, Gerald W. Kirk, and Ruth Gordienko

* former high-ranking military officers such as Brig. Gen. Bonner Fellers, Brig. Gen. Richard B. Moran; Lt. Gen. Edward M. Almond, Brig. Gen. William L. Lee, Lt. Gen. George E. Stratemeyer, Maj. Gen. Robert Blake, Lt. Gen. Sumter L. Lowry, Maj. Gen. Charles A. Willoughby, and Lt. Gen. Charles B. Stone; Col Laurence E. Bunker; Vice Admiral C.S. Freeman, Rear Admiral Paulus P. Powell, and Vice Admiral T.G.W. Settle

* prominent U.S. diplomats and government officials including: U.S. Ambassador Spruille Braden, U.S. State Department historian Bryton Barron, and IRS Commissioner T. Coleman Andrews

* religious figures and editors of religious journals including Cardinal Cushing of Boston, Richard Ginter, Francis E. Fenton, and Mormon Church leader Ezra Taft Benson

So — in view of all this data, I am curious how Ms. Ross arrived at her conclusion that the JBS has “racist” or “nativist” tendencies?

]]> By: Preston http://www.fem2pt0.com/2009/11/09/birthers-and-birchers-hiding-behind-stars-and-stripes/comment-page-1/#comment-6365 Preston Wed, 11 Nov 2009 05:18:44 +0000 http://www.fem2pt0.com/2009/11/09/birthers-and-birchers-hiding-behind-stars-and-stripes/#comment-6365 Judge Land and now judge Carter, smack down the crazies (case dismissed), poor little Birthers. Not even “Fake News” Bill O’Reilly believes the crazies, how funny. http://belowthebeltway.com/2009/10/29/bill-oreilly-slams-orly-taitz/ And honestly who in their right mind would listen to Pat, he is another loser. To all the birthers in La, La Land, it is on you to prove to all of us that your assertion is true (TOUGH WHEN YOU KEEP LOSING CASES), if there are people who were there and support your position then show us the video (everyone has a price), either put up or frankly shut-up. I heard Orly Taitz, is selling a tape (I think it’s called “Money, Lies and Video tape”). She is from Orange County, CA, now I know what the mean when they say “behind the Orange Curtain”, when they talk about Orange County, the captial of Conspiracy Theories. You know Obama has a passport, he travel abroad before he was a Senator, but I guess they were in on it. In my opinion the Republican Party has been taken over the most extreme religious right (people who love to push their beliefs on others while trying to take away the rights of those they just hate) and that’s who they need to extract from their party if they real want to win. Good Luck, because as they said in WACO, “We Ain’t Coming Out”. I heard that she now wants to investigate the “Republican 2009 Summer of Love” list: Assemblyman, Michael D. Duvall (CA), Senator John Ensign (NV), Senator Paul Stanley (TN), Governor Mark Stanford (SC), Board of Ed Chair, and Kristin Maguire AKA Bridget Keeney (SC). Judge Land and now judge Carter, smack down the crazies (case dismissed), poor little Birthers.

Not even “Fake News” Bill O’Reilly believes the crazies, how funny.

http://belowthebeltway.com/2009/10/29/bill-oreilly-slams-orly-taitz/

And honestly who in their right mind would listen to Pat, he is another loser.

To all the birthers in La, La Land, it is on you to prove to all of us that your assertion is true (TOUGH WHEN YOU KEEP LOSING CASES), if there are people who were there and support your position then show us the video (everyone has a price), either put up or frankly shut-up. I heard Orly Taitz, is selling a tape (I think it’s called “Money, Lies and Video tape”). She is from Orange County, CA, now I know what the mean when they say “behind the Orange Curtain”, when they talk about Orange County, the captial of Conspiracy Theories. You know Obama has a passport, he travel abroad before he was a Senator, but I guess they were in on it.

In my opinion the Republican Party has been taken over the most extreme religious right (people who love to push their beliefs on others while trying to take away the rights of those they just hate) and that’s who they need to extract from their party if they real want to win. Good Luck, because as they said in WACO, “We Ain’t Coming Out”.

I heard that she now wants to investigate the “Republican 2009 Summer of Love” list: Assemblyman, Michael D. Duvall (CA), Senator John Ensign (NV), Senator Paul Stanley (TN), Governor Mark Stanford (SC), Board of Ed Chair, and Kristin Maguire AKA Bridget Keeney (SC).

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